MOD POST: PLAYER POLL: GASP SHOCK AWE REPOLL

[thoughts]

So! In an unanticipated turn of events, the IC discussion about what to do with Satan ended up swinging in a direction we hadn't put on the original poll. We ended up having a vast majority of the conversation bring up the prospect of temporarily taking Satan's soul to determine once and for all whether or not he was telling the truth about being corrupted before passing judgment. IC development like this is exactly why we love running plots like this, so in the interest of encouraging that growth, we want to take a repoll about what to do with our traitor!

First off is the important decision of whether or not they should investigate further. This would require temporarily killing Satan to remove his soul and do a thorough examination to determine whether or not he was corrupted the entire time he was feeding information to Thiazi. This process would be painless and quick, a matter of maybe an hour or two before resurrecting Satan without any death consequences. Given that information, here's the first poll:

Poll #15899 Killers R Us

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 55

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Can the gods kill Satan temporarily to determine his innocence or guilt?

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Yes.
48 (87.3%)

No.
7 (12.7%)

IF the gods are given the green light to do this, the results will prove his guilt. Not only was he not corrupted during the majority of his betrayal, he actually infected himself with Thiazi's magic by will and was never possessed by her at all! The gods and the Travellers can only find this out if they kill him first, which depends on the results of the first poll, but if they go through with it and find this information, it may or may not have an effect on your character's vote in his final judgment. To that ends, we're hosting a repoll of the trial's conclusion. Note that these results are only valid if the first poll swings 'yes'. We're mostly putting this here now to save time. Haha

Poll #15900 he was in the house the whole time!!

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 48

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Given the new information, what does the jury say?

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He's still innocent, set him free!
0 (0.0%)

Don't kill him and imprison him.
18 (37.5%)

Kill him and then set him free.
2 (4.2%)

Kill him permanently.
23 (47.9%)

Other. ( Please explain in the comments! )
5 (10.4%)

Please remember to vote ICly and only vote once per character. The polls will be considered closed on Sept. 10 at 11:59PM CST. Let us know if you have any questions!

Comments

[damselled]

Maribelle says yes to temporarily taking his soul, and hell yes to killing him if he's found guilty. (Yeah, guess who doesn't like traitors, esp. in war.)

[bythewaves]

Yes go for the death to check and then Mags wants him dead repeatedly please and thank you. Or life imprisonment is good too, but I mean if you can keep killing him and bringing him back.......

Guess who lost a favourite cousin, plus a rather major war, plus loads of his men, and thus has REALLY BAD FEELINGS about traitors

[familyissues]

Desmond would like to know why this wasn't an option in the first place.

Gosh it's a good thing you gods are all pretty. BV

ALTERNATIVE: Grey

[tonsofpun]

Ellie wonders if they could just take his bracelet, making him grey and unable to harm anybody?

[damselled]

WOAH, SLOW DOWN SATAN

[damselled]

Mari agrees. :| Y'all gods are nuts.

[tonsofpun]

WOAH SATAN

CALM DOWN THERE SWEETIE

[damselled]

JUST SAYING

WHAT THE HELL IS ELLIE ON

THAT IS SOME HORROR MOVIE SHIT RIGHT THERE

[tonsofpun]

hey man she views this as the kindest option considering he wouldn't be suffering consciously, he just would exist as some empty shell of himself and yeah that's completely horrifying actually

Alternative: Grey+

[samantha_grey]

So... yeah, Ellie's idea? Samantha likes this, but she wants to suggest an addendum.

Completely remove Thiazi's taint.
Remove the bracelet.
Let him go gray and stay gray.
Make him be one of the servants who tends the entrance portal so they can keep an eye on him.

Just in case they need him somehow and there is some small way he can be used against Thiazi. She's also not comfortable destroying him completely, as he might still come back again knowing this world.

Did I ever mention Sam had a mean streak?

[damselled]

yeah, see

that's even worse, man

[damselled]

JESUS CHRIST, SAM

[tonsofpun]

well, the alternative of killing him over and over...

[samantha_grey]

She helped throw the last guy who tried to destroy the world as she knew it into the reactor core of his ship after finding out that he was one of the last hopes for the survival of his species.

Sam's got a real merciless streak when you piss her off enough, and she doesn't trust Satan on principle, particularly as she was almost lulled into thinking he was safe...

[damselled]

Ellie, you need jesus help 8|

[damselled]

Yeah, Mari can be pretty ruthless, too. /stares at her potential for a high body count in her canon

But holy cow, Sam's scary. XD

[samantha_grey]

*laughs* Thelema at work. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." Works right up until the moment when "Do what thou wilt" involves getting everything she loves and anyone here she's come to care about killed. Riiiight about then she reminds people she's half demon, and that side of her's a real bitch.

[emergingspirit]

Connor is also wondering why it wasn't an option in the first place.

[thoughts]

because the mods are dumbasses shhhh

[damselled]

Mari will just go over here now.

(Seriously, though, hands up for people who can be total HBICs when it comes to protecting their loved ones.)

[familyissues]

IT'S A GOOD THING YOU MODS ARE PRETTY

[samantha_grey]

^^ Yep. Psychosis, Body Counts and Weird Ethics for the win!

[familyissues]

Saves the Assassins a headache too.

[familyissues]

They can rest easier now, I guess?

[needsnoheadsman]

so would Robb and Bucky like

you gods are dumb and very pretty so that's excusable

[owies]

[samantha_grey]

Sam agrees with this option... but because she thinks it's the cruelest.

[granddevil]

It's like Christmas here c:

+1

[ka_sera_sera]

Cold as hell (...pun not intended, considering who we're talking about) but if there's a chance making her think her spy is still alive will be of use against Thiazi Roland would go for it. It'd be better if they could actively get him to feed her false information but you can't have everything.

Re: +1

[samantha_grey]

heh, see what you did there. Yeah, if she felt Satan could be controlled enough to be a reliable double agent, she'd consider that, but it's Satan, so she doesn't.

[samantha_grey]

Hehe, you're enjoying this, no matter what happens to him aren't you?

[granddevil]

ahaha I'd say I'm a terrible person but in fact, killing Satan is a blessing to him SO I GUESS I'M A VERY NICE MUN yo

[samantha_grey]

Yeah, see... he and Sam agree on that. Hence her option. She doesn't want to risk him threatening them again, but dying feels like letting him off easy.

After all, part of her still wants to die, and stay dead finally.

[granddevil]

Going grey is still something he'd appreciate though. Satan's main issue is the guilt he feels; he has been feeling and living it for like 5 billion years. So if he goes grey, even if just for a couple of month, it finally gives him some time to rest (even if short). Permanently die until the thing in Asgard is over, too. Killing him and resurrecting him until the point Satan would lose his memories and not being able to function is ALSO welcomed. As long he doesn't have to remember Akira, it's fine.

So all these options ARE the best. Locking him up would be the one that would torture him the most, technically.

[samantha_grey]

Unfortunately, Sam can't quite abide a standard prison option herself right now. The spy's lesson was a real one, that they could turn around and cause still more damage, so she's sort of trying for what she deems to be the crueller option in theory, and one that keeps him under thumb and control, rather than risk him dying forever and a near-identical version from a near-identical world showing up and starting it all over again.

^_^ but yeah, I can see how he'd feel that. Everyone's got their perspectives.

[granddevil]

Nobody but the gods would know that Satan wants some rest, anyway. And the gods would have to go through billions of years in memories YEAH THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. So it's natural most people just assume that would be a cruel punishment

honestly I love it 8D you guys are wicked.

[samantha_grey]

Oh god... yeah, I love it. I love that there's one who would suggest the gray as a kinder alternative and someone as the crueler one. It's fun to watch, and lets me remind folks that, even if Sam is much more emotionally stable and 'technically' a good guy, she's no saint. The woman's got a deep-seated cruel streak a mile long and a bag of issues it's fun to drag out from time to time.

This has been fun. Pity we haven't had the chance to scene as much with these two lately, but I've been enjoying the show. Need to hit Kaworu up with Equius sometime this month.

[windbreak]

Yosuke is squeamish and greying is something he's suggested before for a person who couldn't be nearly as harmful in terms of lives affected bloodless, so sure why not :|b Although sheesh y'all, didn't the fact that everyone had to sit around and debate it alone point towards the guy being guilty of something??

[familyissues]

Tch. I wanted you dead from the beginning, Satan. huff huff

[pushesgently]

ALTAIR VOTES FOR DOUBLE-DEATH

[granddevil]

wanted murder before it was cool /gives hipster glasses

[granddevil]

Ahaha it actually sounds pretty awful to just lose yourself to grey like that, because the person going grey realizes they are slowly losing their emotions and such. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I READ IN A PLURK?

but yeah, some consider it kinder because they don't kill Satan. Honestly, the guy could care less, just stop him from feeling like that is s'cool, s'cool.

Ahaha yessss.
come to kaworu equius. He always has terrible questions to make.

[digophelia]

DAD. DAD PLZ

[digophelia]

You guys make Alice feel sane. Thank you.

Anyway, Alice is still skeptical about killing him because of the whole resurrection thing in game. She's more of a "I'll believe it when I see it" kind of person. On one hand, being that she was in an asylum for 10 years (not that anyone really knows here >_>; pretty sure Pyro was the only one who knew outright) and was catatonic for almost half of those years, she's a little torn about imprisonment and would like for some sort of civility. I think after this, she'll be very cynical with a few folks, but eh.

She's not big on traitors but she's also not big on cruelty, either.

[gwenhwyfar]

Regina in the back of my head agrees, because uncle here should enjoy being a doll.

[samantha_grey]

Kind of thought she'd agree. ^_^

Re: ALTERNATIVE: Grey

[izanyagi]

Souji would be okay with this, if Satan is okay with it.

When Yosuke suggested it for Adachi, it was against Adachi's will.