This is a general discussion post for system implementations?

[histories]

More details are to be found here, if only considering that which had been done from the previous post itself.

Okay, um... I'm not too sure what I'm supposed to say here, but let the discussions begin?

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[samantha_grey]

I'm always curious about government-building efforts, on any level. I think, as we can obviously see, Keine's run into the snag that some of her project is not 100% supported by many members of the cast. That said, I don't really want to see the project scrapped and I'm glad to see you're still putting in the effort to keep it going.

I think that, if you are trying to build some sort of government within Asgard of the people, keep in mind that its power is seen best in the ability of large numbers of players to at least give tacit consent with their commentary to the project. If they are supportive, it gives the project that needed push to be viewed as a valid government. Individual meetings of 'town councils' in the houses are far less important than simply the acknowledgment that certain characters are in positions of authority by most characters.

I think, perhaps, what you've set out there is probably a fairly solid plan for an emergency defensive force, and that this might be a good early stage in developing some sort of self-rule. I'm not sure democracy, however, is really the solution here so much as 'find someone willing to take on leadership of defense tasks in each house' and run with it. 9 active players is going to be enough of a fight here, much less 27.

As a side note: Sam hates the idea, obviously. She can be convinced, but she's by nature suspicious of governments so she's not likely to side with this venture in the now, if ever. but, given her slowly building ties to the black market, this really isn't a surprise.

[histories]

Well, yes. It's not going to be scrapped, definitely not - but as far as Keine can tell, there'll need to be plenty of changes to what she had been planning to do. As most people have said, it'll probably be more appropriate to focus directly on defence, at least for now.

But yes, that's a valid point! This is kind of what this post here is for though, yes? Coordination is something I am lacking in, so I'll definitely need some help with that aspect, though.

[samantha_grey]

*nods* I think finding 8 compatriots to help coordinate will be enough of a battle as it stands that this may be a good starting point. Try to find volunteers in each house willing to work at least towards the outward aims of the goal of unit defense. You'll have a bit of a starting point there.

As a matter of curiosity, is Keine being entirely magnanimous here, or does she actually have some sort of ulterior motive?

[histories]

A sound plan.

The former would apply to her, in this case! She's the type of person who would easily sacrifice herself for the sake of others, if anything.

[samantha_grey]

*nods* Samantha's suspicious nature aside, I had a feeling that might be the case. Sam's just outright distrustful of all authority figures. I'll keep an eye on this project, though.

A thought: If you're going the 'defense force' idea, you can also do voluntary sign ups for players interested in helping the project or being 'drafted' to assist in the defense/repair of certain areas. A sign up ICly or OOCly could help here a lot, especially if you can get at least 5 others to help as heads.

[histories]

Yeah, that might be a good idea. I'm just not so sure how to do this, especially when there aren't many that seem to have been drawn to such a discussion in the first place...

[samantha_grey]

My experience is that there's always a limited number of muns who are interested in 'team building' for a unified front in games like this, but there are ones who like the idea in general. However, similarly there's usually a lot of independently minded characters that aren't going to like the idea.

You're probably going to have the greatest success in the largest houses, and more trouble in the smaller houses like Thor and Baldr, simply because of a lower pool of members to work with.

[histories]

That's true, but, there's this alternative; there was this suggestion made by Shiki, iirc, for there to be leaders in charge of three adjacent houses instead of having one or more for each house. It might be more appropriate in this fashion so as to balance things out with those houses with smaller member pools, yup.

[samantha_grey]

*nods* Yes, that overall seems like a logical setup. It also requires less massive over-planning. Really, your headache will come from trying to organize TOO much. 3 leaders v 9 favors 3 in my view.

[histories]

Might work. But I'm thinking a governmental system in itself isn't really going to work. Best to focus on a defence force for now.

[samantha_grey]

Law Enforcement and Law creation tends to be about the extent of things usually. Asgard itself is also fairly intact, so it's difficult to say how helpful/appropriate it would be. don't completely rule it out yet, but yes. Defense force seems a good start.

[histories]

Judging from the number of different societies and definitions of 'wrong' and 'right', it's probably difficult enough to draw a clear enough line for Law to actually be a thing that would work out in this setting.

But with time and understanding on the part of the majority, who knows...

[equivoco]

Well, first off, where do you want to see this go? Especially in general terms about plotting and cr with Keine and your involvement as a player.

As it is, there are other characters talking about defense, so you'll want to hear from them too to make sure no toes are getting stepped on with that aspect of a government system? Maybe make the specific focus of this part of it the concerns Keine raised in the post about managing other resources, like food and water. Latroma makes a good point, too, that it'll be easier to make something happen with less players needing to all be active in it. There can always be failsafe plans if characters drop to make sure representative spaces aren't left vacant, but starting out with a system requiring three characters per house feels like too much to wrangle all at once.

I know Machiavelli offered to help her run a forum to get more ideas and discussion from people in person, so there can be another round of ic discussion there. If that's still something you'd want to do, it'll just be a matter of figuring out when to time it with the bodyswap, Conan's festival, and apps coming up.

[histories]

Well... I don't personally feel it's a definite need for this to take off in a game, seeing as it brings up various problems here and there -- might even be too many problems for this to be worth the trouble. But it's something Keine would want to try and set up as a member of the community within the game, which is why I worked on that (somewhat minimally, truth be told - I'm a bit of a procrastinator)

But yes, twenty seven characters would definitely be a stretch, but that's just an idea of Keine's, to work on that so as to prevent the prospect of people disappearing. OOC wise, it's certainly a better idea to go with a smaller group of people, of maybe three 'leaders' for the whole city, only in charge of preparations for war, or countermeasures in case of other emergencies.